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Go to the Land and I Will Show You: Alana Perino

July 25, 2022 in interview, Book Talks

Go to the Land and I Will Show You : Alana Perino

Andrew D. McClees (ADM): For those who aren’t familiar with you, or your work, could you introduce yourself?

Alana Perino (AP): I'm a photographer but also broadly a lense based artist. My practice and my work is occupied with the reconciliation (or lack thereof) of self, home, and belonging.
ADM: I've never been super clear on what a lens based artist is, I'm familiar with photographers, filmmakers, videographers, etc - but "lense based artist" is a label or classification that I've never quite wrapped my brain around, mostly due to lack of explanation. Could you fill me in on what defines a lens based artist, and possibly relate it back to your own work and practice?

AP: I’m glad you asked this question because I have been grappling with how to define myself as an artist lately. I fall back on the classification of “lens based” as a means to say that I work with cameras. Film cameras, digital cameras, videocameras etc. But the truth is that I’ve also been engaging with collage, casting, and installation for some time now. I don’t feel as proficient in these other fields, but one day I’m hoping to consider myself as an artist who is not media specific. Till that time comes, I use lens based to define the kinds of tools I engage with, tools with lenses.
ADM: We’re talking about your upcoming photobook project “Go to the Land and I Will Show You” - how did you start your project? And where did the title come from?

AP: I began the project on a road trip from New York to California. I had wanted to stop to see Gettysburg on the leg from Philadelphia to DC but no one else in the car was interested. We passed many heritage sites in that same fashion and I suppose I became a bit obsessed with them. After that trip I made 11 road trips over the span of 8 years to specifically see "American" heritage sites. I was interested in the struggle of trying to experience invisible histories and the ways that landscape creates collective memory. More specifically I was interested in photographing the illusions of how history imprints itself or is imprinted upon landscape. The title comes from the Bible. In Genesis, God commands Abraham to leave his home and go to a land that will be shown to him. Obviously there are many translations of this Hebrew text, but I chose this version. It felt particularly relevant to the United States mythologies that justify settler colonialism, indigenous genocide, manifest destiny, and the mechanisms that engage with tourism in the US.

ADM: 11 road trips over eight years is a major endeavor - I'm sure you've seen almost every major site (official and unofficial) at this point - however, did you find yourself gravitating more towards a specific set of sites, and were there any sites that you came away from either with a new understanding of American history, or that you found yourself making especially significant (to yourself, or otherwise) images at?

AP: There are so many historic sites, I’d argue that the functioning of American culture is very much embedded in the designation and curation of these sites. It’s impossible to see them all, but yes I’ve many of the “major” ones. Truly it was an obsession which began on my first road trip in 2013. I was with some friends who were less inclined to stop at these sorts of places. They were more interested in seeing friends and family. Gettysburg was on our trajectory but we didn’t stop there. My father isn’t a Civil War fanatic but he is emotionally invested in 1993 film about the battle. We used to watch it together when I was young. He knows every line. I had always wanted to go there, to situate my body where I had seen the bodies on screen, where the historic bodies descended on the hills or fell in the fields. When I finally went to Gettysburg, it was a culmination of that desire that was quite anti-climactic.
ADM: The project has undergone several really fascinating evolutions over the time we’ve been in class together - what’s influenced the changes in the book?

AP: A lot of the work I made over the years were nods to various photographers who engaged with the US landscape: Ansel Adams, Lee Frielander, Joel Sternfeld, Mitch Epstien. The editing process has mostly been a matter of distilling the work into a very specific vision, one that attempted to avoid the influences of other artists and relied on a personal conception of what these places look like. After a while it became clear to me that I wasn't even trying to tell a narrative as much as create an optical experience that triggered notions of place, memory, and history. The decision to not name the sites in the book felt crucial in this way, because it wasn't important to divulge where the pictures were made. It was only important to make the reader want to know, to question, and to want to see more.
ADM: When making photographs for the book, was there a particular thought process, or a specific intuition you followed?
AP: I suppose I photographed whenever I felt like I couldn't really see. The frustration would drive me to try to visualize in a different way, around a corner, through a viewfinder, from a different perspective. In this way, many of the photographs included in the book are instances of my seeing unsuccessfully, and the images where I achieved a certain amount of visual or narrative satisfaction were left on the cutting room floor. Seeing became a metaphor for knowing, for experiencing, and I wanted to create a world full of the unknowable and the unseen.

ADM: That's really fascinating - it's sort of like digging into the subconscious of American history - the "silent" history if you will? - are there particular aesthetic notes or semiotics you find yourself using or returning to (if you're not actively considering them at the time of shooting) for that take on history, and "seeing the unseen?"

AP:I think a lot about orientation, disorientation, and the ways in which our bodies and senses are engaged when we encounter these sites. I focus on sight as the locus of that kind of experience. There is a colonial emphasis on “discovery” at most of these locations, which suggests the possibility of a direct observation of the past. The suggestion being that if you stand in such a way on a certain mound of dirt, engaging your imagination and the “knowledge” of history that’s been offered, that you can have an experience in time and space that moves you to forget when and where you are presently. I suppose a lot of my photographs are trying to visually engage with this kind of exercise, and what I settled on more than anything is the impossibility of that experience.

ADM: What projects are you taking on next? What's fascinating to you outside your book?

AP: Most recently I’ve been engaging with personal histories and my relationship to family and home. I’m specifically interested in how inherited trauma is stored in objects, space, and ultimately the body. The first chapter of the work which I call “Pictures of Birds” focuses on my father’s side of the family in Longboat Key, Florida. The second chapter, tentatively titled “Adult Children,” is an exploration of my relationship with my mother. For these bodies of work, I am expanding my practice to include installation, sound, sculpture, and collage but the work is still essentially photographic in nature. It’s all very experimental at this point which means I’m not sure what shape it will take in its final form, but I’m finding that unknowability very exciting and generative.

ADM: Over the course of your investigations into the American Landscape via placing yourself in historical sites, what did you learn?- beyond what's pictured in the book, either about yourself or about the photographic process - that you'd be keen to pass on to others.

AP: Rest became something that I had to actively entrench into my practice, not just as a respite for carrying a camera or walking in the hot sun, but as a mode of engaging my body and mind in ways that exercised other muscles. This was not something I practiced in the first few years of this project but by the end it was essential not just to the work but to my well-being as an artist and a person.

ADM: From Eric Kaczmarczyk: What does a day in the life as a photographer, as an artist, as a person, look like for you? What time do you wake up, go to sleep? Outside of photography, what are some of your favorite hobbies?

AP: I work best at night. I've always wanted to be a morning person but I've come to accept that my "morning hours" will always be closer to 1am, 2am, 3am, 4am, than 5, 6, 7 or even 8am, which is when I'm usually asleep. Late mornings and early afternoons are for meetings, paid-work, shoots, grant applications, sometimes rest or play. Evenings and nighttime are for my practice, and hopefully in the midst of all that I remember to eat dinner.

ADM: What question do you have for the next photographer? - you can answer your own question if you'd like.

AP: I'm always curious as to how other photographers know when a project is finished. For me, I can feel it in my body as a resistance to photographing. I become tired more easily, less motivated. It's very much a physical sensation as opposed to a mental or intellectual fatigue. This is how I know it's time to try something new.

Gallery to the above left contains images of the current maquette of “Go to The Land And I will Show You”

ADM: Do you have any parting words/shoutouts/recommendations?

AP: We don't have a solid ETA yet but I will be publishing Go to the Land and I Will Show You with Drew Leventhal under his incipient publishing house, Valley Books. So keep a lookout for updates on this and other titles he'll be publishing in the very near future.

ADM: Awesome! Looking forward to buying my copy when it’s out in the wild!

Becoming an American: Adrian Otero Vila (AOWS)

May 10, 2020 in interview

Becoming an American: Adrian Otero Vila (AOWS)

Andrew D. McClees (ADM): For those who aren't familiar with you, or your photographic work could you please introduce yourself, and give a quick overview of your work?

Adrian Otero Vila (AOV): I'm Adrian, a Spanish-American full-time photographer. I create black and white images of scenes that leave me in awe, with this work I try to pass along that same emotion to whoever is looking.

ADM: In your preliminary description you state that "Becoming an American" is, in broad strokes about your personal experience picking up and moving to America from Europe - What did you find was your experience moving to america, and how do you find that that experience was documented or captured in your photographs?

AOV: America is so present in our culture that I think most people (from other countries) have some preconceptions about it before even setting foot here. That included me when I moved to the US a few years ago. I had an idea of what I was going to find, and for a little bit, it was pretty accurate. It wasn't until I moved to Oregon that I discovered "the West". There, and away from everything and everyone I knew, I found freedom and peace. Those vast and remote landscapes gave me a sense of loneliness I never knew I needed. The rainforest of Washington, the coast of Oregon, the magnificence of the Rockies in Montana, the deserts of the SW... they were so incredible that I couldn't help it but to capture what I was seeing. At this early stage in my photography, I had no idea what to do with those images besides sharing them with family and friends, and later on Instagram. I felt I had to do it, though, and that created the spark that made me quit my job and become a full-time photographer. Those images are now part of my new book, "Becoming an American", and together, they tell my story, what I saw and the places and experiences that made me who I am today (for better or for worse).

ADM: Per your description, this book is a private photodiary, not initially meant for public consumption - what was the impetus to release the book to the public?

AOV: Over the years, I realized that the most rewarding aspect of sharing my photography is that many people find it inspiring, and it helps them in their own creative journey.

With "Becoming an American", I wanted to share what's behind my photography, a window to a period of my life that changed so much. Hopefully, it will inspire others not only to share their journey, but to embark themselves in a similar adventure.

ADM: Following that up, what was the assembly of the book like for you? Was there a specific "click" moment when the book came together for you while selecting images for it? or did you know from the outset the book would take a specific sequence or form (even if it may not initially have been aimed at the public)?

AOV: I started working on an initial draft of the book almost 4 years ago, from a selection of around 100 photographs. I laid the book out and actually printed out that first version. I kept looking at it and reorganizing the images for weeks, but I ended up putting the project aside.

I kept taking photographs, and when I felt like one might work for this project, I'd add it to the original selection. I ended up with several hundred photographs. It wasn't until last year when I decided to go through them and came up with a collection of 88 images that finally felt *complete*. Now, I had all the pieces I was missing before.

ADM: When going through the book, you periodically intersperse written narrative or recountings alongside the photos - what was your inspiration for including text, and at what point did you incorporate it? Was it always part of the plan for the book?

AOV: Definitely not. I decided to include them as I was putting the book together. There are almost a hundred images in the book, so I thought that a few breaks in between would be good for the reader / viewer, plus it'd help giving some context to the images.

ADM: Your standard (the majority of what I've seen on your IG) photo aesthetic leans very minimal. Did you find it difficult to work on this, or shoot like this alongside the more minimal work that you're known for?

AOV: Quite the opposite! The snapshots I take help me stay inspired during my photography trips, as I'm always looking for something to capture. I also make videos of my outings, which is much more demanding than these snapshots. I still find them useful for the same reason: to keep my creativity flowing.

ADM: You talk about maintaining a creative flow between your two bodies of work - following that - did you find yourself applying what you learned in this Diary project to your more public work, as you shot it. If so, how, and if not why not?

AOV: I used to be focused on a specific destination: I’d drive or hike somewhere, take a few photos, and head back. Now, I don’t dismiss any location beforehand, I find myself being more aware and paying more attention to everything.

ADM: In your trip around the country, was there a specific turning point for you - and was there a photo accompanying that? I know you note your move to Portland as being a huge step, or the ending point for the trip - but was there any other major turning point prior to the conclusion to the trip?

AOV: The trip to Portland was the beginning of my journey. There was no major turning point per se. In hindsight, I'd say it was on a weekend trip to Utah (and back to Portland) when I realized how beautiful this world is and how much I wanted to capture it. Even though I wasn't fully aware of it at the time.

ADM: What was the inspiration, from the outset, to document your trip alongside the main body of work you produced?

AOV: I take a lot of photos everyday, using whatever camera I might have with me. While my main body of work is my "artistic view of the world", those snapshots are a visual diary of sorts. If I make it to old age, those are the images I'll cherish the most.

ADM: What were your influences, photographic or otherwise on the book?

AOV: It's hard to know what or who influences your work, I didn't think of anyone or anything while working on this book. I can only assume, though, that books of a similar theme and style that I liked in the past influenced me in some way. My favorites are "The Americans", by Robert Frank, "American Prospects", by Joel Sternfeld and "Minutes to Midnight", by Trent Parke.

ADM: What advice would you give for someone making a big life change like you did? And, if they're considering taking on a big photographically driven trip, what other advice would you give alongside that.

AOV: Travel light. I was shooting film exclusively during a 2-month long road trip across the US and brought with me not only gear (2 Bronicas SQ-Ai, 5 lenses, 3 film backs and 100 rolls), but also the chemicals needed for developing and the scanner. I definitely regret doing that.

I brought only my small RX100 cameras on my last road trip, across Germany, Austria and Italy. When the gear gets out of the way, you can focus on what you’re capturing.

About life changes, it depends on someone's specific situation. I’m a big advocate of traveling, I believe that getting out of your environment for a while is a very helpful way to get to know yourself better. But going somewhere else won’t make your current problems go away, so be careful.

Over the last few years, I’ve made some decisions that weren’t necessarily the wisest or safest, but I knew if I didn't go for it, I’d regret it for the rest of my life. So I did.

ADM: By way of Charlie Thom, but directly relevant here - What're you working now, or what are you planning, what's the next project or trip?

AOV: Right now, I should have been photographing Iceland and the UK, but I’m stuck in Spain instead due to the virus situation. Besides those islands, I was planning on doing a lot of hiking in the US this summer and fall, plus shooting some winter scenes in the Midwest. We will see if that can still happen.

For now, I’m going through the thousands of photos from past trips, making some videos for my YouTube channel, working on a couple of zines and a new book.

ADM: What question do you have for the next photographer? you can answer it if you'd like.

AOV: If you could go back in time and stand next to a photographer when they were making an image, which one would it be? For me, that’d be either Koudelka’s image of the dog in the snow, or the photographs of bats and kangaroos from Trent Parke’s “Minutes to Midnight”.

ADM: Thanks for doing the interview! where can people find your work, and purchase copies of the book, as well as your print work?

AOV: Thank you, Andrew! This was fun. My website is the best way to look at my work, and also where the book and prints can be purchased: https://aows.co. I post every day on Instagram (https://instagram.com/aows) and try to upload a couple of videos a week to my YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/aowsphotos).

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Coast to Coast: Charlie Thom

May 03, 2020 in interview

Coast to Coast: Charlie Thom

Andrew D. McClees (ADM): For those who may not be familiar with your work, can you please introduce yourself, and give an overview or introduction to your work?

Charlie Thom (CT): I'm Charlie, a 20-year-old film photographer and university student from Sussex, UK. I have a love for old cameras and visiting new places. I like to think my style of shooting is just "photograph whatever comes to mind". I've never seen myself as having a style as such, but every photographer captures their scene in unique ways and I'm no exception. During my gap year in 2019, I tried and travel as many places as I can as cheaply as possible, and it's taken me on some really memorable adventures. I visited a few places, including Chernobyl where I produced the content for my previous zine, The Nuclear Option, and the USA and Canada, where I produced the content for Coast to Coast.

ADM: We're here talking about Coast to Coast today - what's the concept behind the zine, what was the impetus to put it into a book format?

CT: In August 2019 I travelled to North America for 3 weeks visiting 5 coastal cities, my first time alone in a foreign country with a big bag full of snacks, clothes and cameras to keep me company. While I was there, I knew I wanted to have a final product made out of the pictures I took there but wasn't quite sure what form it would take. I find that happens a lot with my zines and books. I go out, focus on the pictures and then worry about presentation and narrative when I get my pictures back. I feel that way, you tend to stress a lot less about all the little details and just enjoy exploring new places.

ADM: What was the image selection process like for Coast to Coast? Did the images create the book, or did you work backwards from your body of photos?

CT: I didn't realise just quite how many pictures I'd taken until I'd got back and stared at the 700+ frames in Lightroom after hours of processing and scanning. I figured it would be a big, big project to make a zine out of, so I was going to wait till the summer to start working on it - that's when the outbreak occurred, and I thought I should finish it now before it got shelved forever. I thinned these pictures down to just over 70 and it had enough pages to be a paperback book, so I went full steam ahead and designed a pdf for a 66 page photobook. My last project, The Nuclear Option, had a text-based narrative that I felt worked really well due to its historical nature and the short time span I took the pictures in. With this one though, there isn't really much to say - I felt if I captioned a whole book just with stories about myself, it wouldn't be about the pictures anymore. The sheer number of pictures also meant I could divide the book into chapters, one for each city I visited. I think this really breaks up the story nicely and gives it a nice narrative without the use of text.

ADM: What was the specific impetus for your trip to North America, what made you choose the destinations you chose; and how does your book tell or document the trip?

CT: There were a few reasons for choosing America as the destination for my travels: I think the sheer scale of everything is something that really drew me in. The massive sprawling cities and eccentric characters really fascinated me. I'd been to the USA a couple of times before with family, but never had a proper chance to explore on my own and go on a proper adventure. The fact that everyone speaks English too is also a huge help. I chose to visit New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Vancouver and Seattle because they're some of the continent's biggest most interesting coastal cities. If my budget had been a bit bigger, I would love to have visited New Orleans or Portland (while strictly that isn't a coastal city, I guess West Coast still counts), but I was cutting as many corners as I could and had to let them go. Coast to Coast tells the story through chapters. Each chapter is headed with a scan of a Polaroid with a significant landmark in each city, something I already really wanted to do just so I could put them in my print albums. When I got home, I'd realised those Polaroids would be great to break up the book into specific segments and give the project's narrative a bit more structure. I captured everything else that caught my eye on my 1951 Leica iiif on whatever film I could get my hands on - colour and b&w stocks of various brands, expired film, etc. My friend Italo very generously gave me a big bag of assorted film when I met up with him in New York (Thanks Italo!). I shot a lot of street but also landscapes too if my surroundings allowed it. I tried my best to tell stories with each picture, and I feel each chapter really has its own distinctive, unique flavour.

ADM: Following that up, were there any big moments that stood out to you, or "clicked" the book into place when you finally did sit down in front of your scanner?

CT: I learned a lot of things about the United States and its people/culture throughout the whole of this trip. It was very insightful, almost enlightening, to see how different everything is to how it's portrayed on television. To actually see America in person was truly something special, and the people I met along the way were probably the best part of the whole experience. I also learned a lot about myself, how I overcame problems like having my flight home cancelled while I was there, and having to spend 4 hours on a bus through Compton and arriving at LAX airport covered in bleeding bug bites, or missing my Greyhound bus and hitching a free ride on another bus because the driver was a super cool guy. There always seemed to be solutions to the challenges I faced, and I think I got some really good adventures out of some of them. When I got back from the States, I was going to move into my university halls 2 days after I landed, and I don't think I've ever processed and scanned that much film in such a small span of time in my entire life. I also learned how to create a proper scanning and editing workflow, with this amount of film it's near impossible to sort through all the pictures and pick out the best images unless you have a good workflow setup.

ADM: What did you learn, either about your trip, or your photography while editing the book?

ADM: In terms of influence - what would you say your biggest influences on the project were, photographic or otherwise?

CT: Inspiration came from a wide variety of people for this one! I drew influence from a few great zines I have such as Useful Idiocy by Jules Le Moal, Reason for Visit by Nicolas Hagen, Enter Barcelona by Nigel Allison/unevenedits and Zoeld by Illia Popovich, as well as a few others. I also drew inspiration from a few of the classic American photographers of the 20th century: Robert Frank, W. Eugene Smith etc. I also got a lot of advice and second opinions during the production of the book from close friends and fellow photographers, which I'm eternally grateful for!

ADM: I find it a really interesting choice that all of the images are titled, what prompted you to title all your images, and was it difficult to title them?

CT: I've always had a fascination with titles - while I made the choice not to write out all my stories and experiences and focus more on presenting the pictures themselves, I still wanted to give the viewer my own impression of the picture to give it a bit of a personal touch. Another reason I added a black stroke and title on the images was to make the book feel like a miniature gallery. I based most of the captions for the pictures off my Instagram posts, but I changed some of them if they didn't fit the frame well. Presentation to me is one of the biggest parts of producing a zine or book, and I wanted it to feel a bit fancier than my previous works. You'll notice there isn't a single double page spread. While there were pictures I really wanted to print nice and big, I felt it wouldn't be doing them justice if a large portion of the frame was lost to the fold.

ADM: For someone on the fence about making a big, multi stop trip, in a very unfamiliar place - as well as documenting it - what advice would you give?

CT: Don't stress too much! It's not an adventure if you aren't lost. Try not to plan every last detail, just make sure you can get to and from your destination(s), have a place to stay, and have enough money in case anything goes wrong. The best adventures I had on this trip weren't planned, they just happened as I was out exploring the area. It was quite daunting at first when I was planning everything, but once I had everything booked it was really easy from there.

ADM: From Sadie Rose Bailey by way of Sam Lloyd: What other creative outlets do you pursue? And what does it bring you that photography doesn’t?

CT: I really don't have any other creative outlets! I can't draw or play any instruments, my co-ordination is absolutely terrible. I adore photographing bands though. I think being able to photograph a band is the next best thing to being in one. I'm doing a Media Production degree at the moment so I do have some video/audio production experience, and I know my way around photoshop. I also collect records and have a Hi-Fi setup in my bedroom, which has become the saviour of my quarantine lifestyle at the moment.

ADM: What question do you have for the next photographer? You can answer your own question if you'd like.

CT: Do you have any projects planned after this one? Spill the beans! If this lockdown ends before the summer and I can get a decent amount of shifts before the summer, I really want to travel Scandanavia, especially Norway and Finland.

ADM: Where can people see your work, and purchase your zine?

CT: You can find me on Instagram @charliethom_ or on Facebook at @charliethomphoto. My zine is available through my Etsy shop, a link is available through my Instagram bio. You can also search "charliethom" on Etsy and find my shop that way too.

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SURE: Daniel Wang

March 14, 2020 in interview

SURE: Daniel Wang

Andrew D. McClees (ADM): For those who aren't familiar, could you introduce yourself and your work, photographic or otherwise?

Daniel Wang (DW): Hi. My name is Daniel Wang and I am based out of Toronto, Ontario. I developed a fond interest in photography 3 years ago when I was introduced to skateboarding by the wonderful community I was surrounded by. How I thought about and viewed architecture and other physical aspects of a city were completely changed when I dove deeper into the the craft and mindset. My enthusiasm in street photography and photography as an art form was sparked through the exploration of my environments evoked by skateboarding and when my roommate introduced me to film photography and the history of art. Since then, I have worked professionally in event photography and started attending Ryerson University to further my understanding of the medium as a tool for creative expression. Currently available works include, my first photo zine "sure" and a selection of film photographs in my visual diary on instagram @danxuwang.

ADM: "Sure" looks like it's a zine about a trip or travel - was there a specific trip it was from? - what's the story behind it, and where does the title come from?

DW: "sure" is a photo zine of a 40 hour trip I took to New York City on the last weekend of my reading week for school. I used a roll of Fuji Pro 400H and Kodak Portra 400, with my Canon Sureshot 70 zoom, developed and scanned at the local camera store. Many notable photographers of New York have inspired the run and gun and silent observer styles of photography present in the zine. On the creation of the title, who really knows. I could have been really stoned with my roommate and saw the "sure" in canon sureshot and called it a day, or it could mean something more. Something to do with the definition of "sure" as a definite affirmation and how the word is ironically perceived today as a "duh" or "whatever". Nevertheless, nothing is more ensuring then documenting a captured image and as a mantra, I can't help but say sure to an exhausting and mind stimulating 40 hour trip in New York.

ADM: You use a lot of color blocking and color on your background (which I find really neat) - is there a significance to those color blocks, or is it an alternative to white to augment the images?

DW: I feel like there is a significance to the colour blocking. The editor and I really thought about the physicality and rhythm of the book and completed it overnight, we were very inspired. How the book felt to read through was most important. The tapered colour pages and coloured spreads provoke and primes the reader from every angle before even opening the book. The colours in the backgrounds are equally as important as the photos presented on the spread. We really tried colours until our intuition told us to stop. Inspiration came from colour palettes we'd see in the photos and our everyday life, from the t-shirts hanging in chinatown to our random assortments of gathered knickknacks. How did you find the coloured spreads and taper pages, Andrew? Do you have a favourite page and why?

ADM: I quite liked them! I found that as a photograph Page 10 (or the 10th Spread — Pictured here directly above) is my favorite -- but that's very much a personal appeal - I really like centerfold images on a spread, especially used in a landscape/survey style -- as far as overall spreads 15 and 19 were my favorite layouts or sets of multiple images together, both for the image choice and the intersection of the images. Tying into the above - the zine seems to be chronologically ordered - what was the sequencing and selection process like for "sure?"

DW: I am glad the zine seems to be chronologically ordered, but it was definitely not! Again, we really just relied on intuition and instinct and wanted to experiment with something different then what we were accustomed too. Each spread was made with specific themes in mind, whether we wanted to completely highlight an image or add colour and shapes to the viewing space to augment the image. Putting it together was just seeing what felt right where. I would say these weren't my best photos of New York but they made the most sense for me to put together for this zine. The catalyst for the zine derives from thinking about how important the presentation or delivery of something can be, compared to the thing itself. Along with all the physical aspects of print and book making, creating this zine has opened a new channel for me to express my ideas.

ADM: You mention working with an editor rather than strictly self-editing the zine - I think this is a great idea - who was the editor and what was the process like working with an editor outside yourself?

DW: As much as I love the idea of independently produced products I believe my collaboration with my editor, roommate and good friend Kolwyn McKinstry was an important element to developing and fine tuning my creative ideas. The hardest part is finding the right people you can confide in and share a creative vision with. Once I started talking more personally about expression, photography zines and colour, the discourse between Kolwyn and I became very valuable towards how our work process developed. Having another person to share my ideas with, helped me formulate and create this with much more confidence. He kept me stoked !!

ADM: I really like the thematic togetherness of the book - was there a specific moment or impetus where it clicked to step away from the confines of strictly ordering things chronologically as many zines are want to do?

DW: Again, I appreciate that dearly. TBH, I had originally planned for the zine to be chronological but with our emphasis on how the book feels to read, we preferred the rhythm of the order we had chosen. It is hard to say if there was a specific moment or impetus, but it is a smoother read this way.

ADM: It's really cool to hear that this has opened up a new venue to express yourself - are you planning more zines?

DW: I am planning more zines! Going through this process has made me realize how much I love doing it, it is an interesting medium and I plan to experiment more with my editor and any willing collaborators for future zines.

ADM: Where can we pick up copies of Sure? and see more of your work?

DW: Sure can be picked up on my website www.danxuwang.com or by DMing me on instagram @danxuwang. I plan on releasing prints and more zines. It is currently a 1 man operation, but I will do my best to ship it in a timely manner !!

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GAIJIN: The Arevalo Brothers

February 15, 2020 in interview

GAIJIN: The Arevalo Brothers

Andrew D. McClees (ADM): Thanks for agreeing to do this interview! for those not familiar with you, could you both briefly introduce yourselves and describe your work together, and as individuals?

Andrew Arevalo: Hello! My name is Andrew Arevalo. I wouldn't label my work as one thing such as "street photography" because I tend to take photos of anything that catches my attention. Lately my work is all Black and White for the simplicity of it and discovery of space within myself and other people. Me and Anthony's work are very separate, even as twin brothers. I have noticed we'll come across the same subject and take completely different photos.

Anthony Arevalo: Hey I'm Anthony, Andrew's twin brother and vice versa. I work full time at Samy's Camera and have taken photos for the past 6 years now. Interest includes cycling, skating, music, anime, and some art which all have gotten tangled in my little journey of photography. Those things can explain themselves when it comes to explaining what kind of photos I have made around them, but I guess it's the stuff when those all are absent that gets trickier to put into words. Lately I have been finding my photos having less and less people... Lately I've been trying to capture the mundane, feelings I don't quite understand, and trying to start a narrative of a lonely landscape in such a dense world. This book in particular though ties in a lot of stuff I enjoy very dearly in a different world from my own. I definitely wouldn't mind making this a yearly habit.

ADM: We're here talking about your upcoming (or recently released) book Gaijin -- can you give me an overview of what the book is about, and what it means to you?

Andrew Arevalo: The overview of our coming book, Gaijin (slang for foreigner/outsider) is just our view on how we romanticized Japan as it has been a dream of ours to visit for a long time now. It's a lot of firsts for me, first time out of the country, first time in Japan, first time doing a book vs a zine, first time planning a solo show (with my brother of course) . It's a milestone in my photography in how work gets produced and how it is received I am so thankful for everyone's support through the whole project.

Anthony Arevalo: Gaijin is a collection of photos by two twin brothers that have shared lots of similar interests. As a close follower of skating, music, art, and track bike culture (vs cycling in general), Japan has been a very sought out place to expand your reach and exposure. Not saying that you go to gain popularity but to gain a understanding and appreciation for what you love. I now see and understand what was once something a wide eyes teenager could only dream of. And I got to do it with, and I don't admit it enough, one of my best friend I could ever ask for, Andrew, my twin brother. Model after what I feel like a travel journal slash Japanese photo book? This book highlights truly one of the best experience I have made in my life so far.

ADM: I've made a few books now, but I've never actually worked with another person directly on the same book. What was the process of working on a collaborative book like? Did you know you were going to end up publishing one book together rather than two separate books or zines?

Andrew Arevalo: The process was somewhat natural, being twins and growing up together we have very similar tastes in pretty much everything to a certain degree. But we had a lot of help getting our creative ideas out onto paper and design. Our friend, Daniel Lurvey, is a graphic designer for a living and wanted something fun to work on outside of work and absolutely nailed the cover design and helped us with a more creative approach for the layout. My partner, Amara Higuera, did some lovely writing for the intro that me and Anthony would never have came up with. Through each process we sat down, gave our thoughts, and all agreed during every step.

Anthony Arevalo: Honestly it was bound to happen. Why wouldn't twins do a collaborative project? I knew even before we got on the plane that I wanted to do a book with Andrew and that all the photos I made would be purely for that reason. Other than that we just took photos like normal and worried about the rest later.

ADM: I have to imagine with two separate photographers you had a pretty massive photo pool to pull from -- you've edited the final set into a really nice, concise pool of photos -- what was the selection and sequencing process like?

Andrew Arevalo: We each narrowed down our own individual photos, each of us shooting about 20 rolls. When we picked our favorites we tried to see how it would layer together and narrowed it more from there. As an outside perspective Daniel arranged the photos and it was all of our ideas to have the table of contents in the back to keep the book simple and less clustered.

Anthony Arevalo: If I remembered right I had at least 200 photos I truly liked out of the 14 rolls of film I shot. I later thin that down to a little less than 100. From there we actually had our friend Daniel layout everything out (that's why everything looks so nice) and he essentially thin it down to what it is now with only a few photos being swapped out. Pretty much we just trusted our friend Daniel and obviously he delivered.

ADM: You both make the statement/observation ( also apparent throughout the book) that despite being twins you both have distinctly different shooting styles -- what do you think informs that? Can you both talk about your influences, shared and otherwise -- and do you find that your hobbies and interests outside photography influence your photography -- if so how?

Andrew Arevalo: I think me and my brother have very similar influences as were always sharing stuff we like with each other. We both have the same hobbies essentially but I really think it just comes down to being individuals and no two photos from two different people can be 100% alike. We're both into skating,cycling, and music and I definitely think they influence my photos outside of those hobbies with different perspectives and learning from taking photos in those separate environments.

Anthony Arevalo: I feel like Andrew's photo definitely have more people in them and mine doesn't always have people in them. Other than that I feel like we share the same theme of trying to photograph emotions. As a young photographer I feel like my influences aren't that mature, meaning most of my influences are just probably just the norm usually. But my main influences at the moment would be Clint Woodside, Robert Adam, Araki Nobuyoshi, Dennis McGrath, William Eggleston, and Alec Soth. Of course most of my interest like music, skating, and cycling inspire me tons in photography and life in general. Photographers in all those aspects, at least in the subcategories I follow, have always been linked back to separating from the norm, rebels. I feel like I would want to follow that path.

ADM: How did you find it different to shoot over in Japan, rather than back here in America?

Andrew Arevalo: We definitely got a bit of a "foreigner pass". I felt like it was "easy" to take street photos in Japan because of the culture of being non confrontational, with that being said it wasn't like I was in everyone's face and invading direct privacy I took photos like I normally do but felt less of a chance for a negative response as I have gotten sometimes before.

Anthony Arevalo: Aside from being completely new Japan was a very comfortable place to photograph once I got comfortable which was probably after our 2nd day? The cultural / language barrier did help but as John Sypal would tell anyone, just wear a smile and you'll be fine photographing on the streets of Japan. I had some people giggle after taking some silly photos or giving me a polite wave. We didn't have too much issues; aside from one time when I popped a flash into a police box and they then stopped us down the street claiming they're doing a random search due to Roppangi having a drug problem at the moment.

ADM: What was the key moment for each of you where you knew "this is something different?" Did you document it in the book?

Andrew Arevalo: I felt it as we arrived at the airport, with immigration and the ads right off the plane. With the people at the train station right outside the airport it feels very clichè to say but it felt like being in another world.

Anthony Arevalo: Honestly I don't think our photos are the most unique in this book. What's different is that usually I feel like most Japan travel books/zines are made by not only people who have gone before, but also have friends (as in probably more than a few?) Before going. This is different ‘cause we're almost completely in the shadow going into this, it's also fully self funded and not being made by a publishing label (no matter how much I joke with Clint about it).

ADM: I noticed you both seem to stick with black and white for most of the book, but there's a good bit of color mixed in -- is this an intentional commentary, or is it in line with both of your regular shooting styles?

Andrew Arevalo: Most of the b&w photos are mine, as that has been my preference for the last couple of years. But with hopes of the Cherry Blossoms blooming (we had just missed the big bloom as we were leaving) I knew I needed at least a couple of rolls of color but looking back at it now the high contrast flash stuff I had gotten with Cherry Blossoms in the background I yet again do not see a NEED for color film anywhere.

Anthony Arevalo: The fact that it's mostly black and white is mostly cause of Andrew. He has been sticking to just black and white film for a little more than a year. I like to mix it up, I usually don't shoot the same film twice in a row and I like to alternate between color and b&w. So by that logic the book is probably 3/4 b&w. I shot 7 rolls of color and 7 of black and white.

ADM: Looking forward, you're both headed back to japan again this year -- will you make another volume of the book? What do you think will be different this time around?

Andrew Arevalo: I don't believe we'll make Gaijin a series but rather produce something else. This time around we are going with a couple of friends from Middle School that will be visiting for the first time and take photos as well. We will be making something less serious and simpler as a group.

Anthony Arevalo: Everyone has been asking if we are going to expand on our book or do another volume since we haven't printed our current one. No we're not going to expand or continue our book Gaijin. Gaijin is meant, at least to me, a one off chapter in our journey of self discovery. What's different this time around is we're going to Japan this time with our childhood friends Yao and Ernesto. While we are planning to make a zine vs a book this time it will definitely be different. It'll be more of a travel log/Journal vs a photo essay of sort that we are currently working on.

ADM: For someone on the fence about taking on a big trip or a project during a big trip like that, that requires them to take a leap of faith, what advice can you give?

Andrew Arevalo: You can't ever produce something unless you take the steps into the process. But for our project it grew naturally. As photographers that are fans of anything printed matter we naturally knew we would take a ton of photos and they would need a home.

Anthony Arevalo: Don't over think it. All I knew I want to do before getting on the plane was I wanted to make a book and that I want to have a show to release it if possible. I bugged so many people about things before I even had anything to show them. The only advice I can give is just shoot. Shoot and figure it out later, everything will form eventually. Give it as much time as you think it needs. The only practical advice I can give is if you have a issue with the sheer amount of stuff you have like I did, try removing things that don't meet a common theme, go through your selection serval times and then after you do don't look at it for a while and come back to it after the honeymoon phase is over.

ADM: When can we expect gaijin to release? What plans do you have for the book -- I know you'd mentioned a gallery show? Where can we buy a copy?

Andrew Arevalo: We have yet to settle on a release date yet. Trying to figure out the best time to drop all of the money on printing and setting a date for the show is what's keeping us back but we are very close to finalizing! It will definitely be this year I hope. The plan is to have the show as a release party and sell the books there, with a dvd of b side moments on Super 8 by Anthony and some other unique gifts to go with the book. If we happen to have any left overs after the show we will sell them through Instagram to anyone interested and a few through These Days where we will hopefully have the show but it will be a somewhat limited run.

Anthony Arevalo: Hopefully we'll have plans for a show end of February if somehow possible, if not it will be after March. I want the book to release at the time of said show. Obviously you can buy a copy at the show, if not we're hoping to leave a few at These Days in downtown for them to sale. Other than that you'll just have to ask us directly to get one. We're assuming mostly friends will be purchasing copies of our books so thank you in advance for your interest. Books are going to be bundled with a DVD of super8 footage I took on the trip and hopefully we'll be able to included a couple of postcards as well. Once again thank you to Andrew for having us!!!

Pure Nature, Accept no Less: Brendon Holt on Landscape Photography

February 02, 2020 in interview

Pure Nature, Accept no Less: Brendon Holt on Landscape Photography

Andrew D. McClees (ADM): Welcome back to Frozenwaste.land Brendon! We’re here talking about Landscape in 2020 this week:

As of right now, how do you define "landscape" and "landscape photography?"

What do they mean to you, and what is your baseline approach and philosophy behind your photography practice?

Brendon Holt (BH): Well, lemme work my way to an answer by telling you what I think landscape photography isn't.

I don't think that cityscapes are landscape photographs, they're just that, cityscapes. Let's just get that out of the way. I have always found that angle to be a gross perversion of the term. I also do not really consider a lot of new-topographics stuff to be landscape photography. While some of it does deal either implicitly or explicitly with the land á la Robert Adams, I don't consider it to constitute landscape work in the stricter sense, as important as that work is.

I suppose this makes me something of a purist or a stubborn nineteenth century romanticist holdout or something but it leaves me with an understanding of the true subject of landscape photography to be the land itself. Not the landscape as modified or influenced by human activity, and most certainly not urban/cityscape work.

So, landscapes and landscape photography, to me, deals with "the inhuman," a term I will borrow from the American poet Robinson Jeffers which refers simply to the vast realm of non-human nature. It is non-human nature itself considered as the subject of photography.

Furthermore as a medium I understand landscape photography as a channel for me to try and express, in the photographic form, the spiritual or existential depths of these kinds of transcendent experiences of the world beyond our modern humanistic self obsession. This component really constitutes the raison d'être of my work, to be honest. Photography in general is just a means to an end for me, and that end is turning our eyes from the dark abyss of human subjectivity to the vast glory outside ourselves. I could care less about photography as some abstract end in itself. That entire approach strikes me as absolutely vapid. Photography for what? The sake of photography? Images for the sake of images. That's an absolutely vacuous approach. My philosophical and spiritual proselytizing is intimately wedded to my photographic work. Photography, and landscape photography specifically, is just the visual megaphone I use most.

ADM: I guess in that sense, you view Urban Landscape, etc, as really more about anthropology and architecture at the end of the day - rather than nature, or nature in true fashion?

Following that up, I've found, in my own landscape practice -- or at least within the confines of the modern/postmodern art/instagram landscape that landscape has slowly come to mean, colloquially, a very specific aesthetic - this sort of superficially epic, highly saturated, glossy, and frequently strangely tinted view of nature.

While I’m aware there’s definitely other takes on landscape - this is for sure the most popular take right now, outside of the “fine art” bubble. I think this is a huge impediment to landscape as a topic of discussion, and furthering and deepening the dialogue around it.

I’d be curious to get your perspective on that aesthetic, what it’s origins are, why it continues to be so prevalent, and what it means for your own practice, and other artists working in landscape right now?

BH: Yeah, I can get mostly on board with that characterization of cityscapes, new topographics, et al. Per the landscape aesthetic, I definitely agree with your characterizations. I think the term we could use to encapsulate the aesthetic and all the features that you've pointed out is "hyperrealism." It all feels a bit like taking the world and cranking it up to 11 so that we're left with this "strangely tinted" presentation of nature, as you said (If anyone is unfamiliar with what we're talking about just take a trip over to 500px or something and search for the most popular work in the landscape category, it abounds there).

And as you also said, its entrenchment as the standard for landscape photography is deeply problematic for anyone trying to engage with the subject/genre in ways beyond that very limited aesthetic. Work trying to deal with the subject/genre of the landscape in ways outside that aesthetic is quite commonly ghettoized for not toeing the line of that codified understanding of "good landscape photography." Maybe the saving grace of the fine art bubble is that it can still serve as a refuge for work that's been ostracized from the popular canons, even if it harbors a bunch of bullshit too.

My personal relationship with the whole aesthetic and the genre of contemporary landscape work in general is, well, contentious. I find the aesthetic formulaic to the point of sterility and ubiquitous to the point of exhausting. The same light, the same subjects, the same compositional choices, the same basic formulaic images repeated over, and over, and over. It has been repeated ad nauseam in landscape circles since it was popularized by the dissemination of photographs from the likes of Galen Rowell, which is where I personally see its origins. To be fair there was color landscape work before Rowell, such as Eliot Porter and Philip Hyde's work (which I think is all beautiful), but Rowell's work begins to take landscape photography in an entirely different direction that tends toward the kind of hyperrealism that is so prevalent today (and digital photographic technologies have only made that move toward hyperrealism easier).

I'm not sure why the whole aesthetic has become so firmly rooted in the collective consciousness of landscape photography, personally. Obviously it's just a truism that aesthetic trends happen but trying to work out the processes and mechanisms by which any aesthetic trend happens is a gigantic can of worms that could probably encompass its own essay. Regardless of how or why this aesthetic has become so entrenched, it's an issue that anyone working in the genre today has to confront. As a general rule my advice to anyone working within any genre of photography is to forego the easier path of ready-made aesthetics and focus all their efforts on their own vision. Speaking personally, when I first started making images I turned to that culturally established norm of landscape images as a guide for how I made images. I knew I loved the landscape but as a new photographer I didn't really know how to go about translating my experiences into a photograph so the popular aesthetic became my guide as I learned photography. Ultimately, however, if you have any modicum of individual vision that approach can't but begin to feel hollow and empty and you have to set off on the harder but more meaningful path of catering to your own vision. I had to take that step, and reflect on what it was I myself wanted to say and show with my images and choose to follow that path rather than the path set for me by the dominant approach to the genre. I think this is the path that anyone working in landscape photography today has to take unless color-by-number photography is all they're looking to do.

AM: That’s a really great insight into working practice or an insight into where to go when starting landscape. Your work and your philosophy, both as you’ve stated and as it reads in your images is deeply rooted spiritualism of nature and the land; but what other topics would you like to see discussed in the genre, or adjacent to the genre as you’ve defined it? I’d be curious to know if there are any aesthetics, non-mainstream (or non-mainstream within the fine-art bubble) that you think are under utilised or that could be better explored?

BH: Well, my engagement with landscape work is admittedly pretty single-minded, maybe to the point of parochialism, haha. So outside of rekindling the spiritual dimensions of our experience of nature I haven't really given the other thematic avenues of the genre too much thought.

Off the cuff issues of ecology, conservation, the philosophy of nature (ontological reflections about the "being" of nature), etc. come to mind. I'm not naively parochial, I do think there is a wealth of other themes that could be dealt with in the context of landscape photography, even in the narrower sense that I've defined it. I just haven't really spent too much time following those avenues because so much of my focus is honed in to the spiritual/religious/existential angles of our engagement with the land.

As to the question of aesthetics, I must also admit that my aforementioned parochialism means I'm not super familiar with aesthetic trends, especially not the obscure ones of the fine art world. But as to what I'd like to see explored I think I could offer a vague gesture toward those aesthetics that eschew those codified formulas of the popular landscape aesthetic in order to break open new avenues for rethinking our artistic engagement with the land.

One example of that comes to mind is landscape work that trades the "Iconic Landscape" approach of Ansel Adams and Co for a more down-to-earth, intimate approach. Less the iconized nature of Yosemite National Park and more intimate reflections on the smaller, quaint landscapes around us. We might also think of the work of someone like Eliot Porter as an example of work that sidesteps a lot of the dominant aesthetic cues. In Eliot Porter we find less of the clean and formalized nature of the dominant aesthetic and more of an honest encounter with the real chaos and complexity of nature that exists beyond the formalizing attempts that exist only within the fabricated frame of the photographer's vision.

I know this answer is kind of vague, but I hope the examples at least help to clarify what I have in mind when I say something like "aesthetics that eschew those codified formulas of the popular landscape aesthetic in order to break open new avenues for rethinking our artistic engagement with the land."

ADM: You're usually fairly prolific in one environment at a time (formerly PNW, now Montana) and have expressed a preference to shoot or look at only one area at a time - is there a particular reason or meaning behind that?

BH: Yeah, I definitely prefer to dedicate my time to revisiting a limited number of places over and over rather than constantly seeking out new environments. I find the practice of constantly photographing the next hitherto unvisited location kind of empty. It's the photographic equivalent of a never ending string of one night stands with various landscapes that never really gives you the chance to get to know and connect with any specific place. And given that so much of my work is about trying to rebuild those connections and that rootedness to place that we've lost in the wasteland of modernity, the whole idea of that kind of cosmopolitanism in landscape work has never suited me. Maybe it makes for a dazzling portfolio but if it's all empty what's the point?

And I guess that deeper spiritual urge behind my work is how I came to practice that single minded focus as well. My photographic practice has never really been separate from my own philosophico-spiritual practice and because that reflection on the spiritual importance of the landscape is such an integral part of my own spiritual practice, my photo work has always reflected that.

ADM: (A little redundant -- we’ve gotten into it a bit here) but for someone looking to refine their practice and focus it tightly as you have, what advice can you give, or how did you get there?

BH: My advice for people looking to do the same isn't so much going to be photographic advice but advice for the soul, I guess. It's about making that experience and connection to a place primary and the photographic work a kind of secondary outgrowth of those deeply meaningful connections and experiences with a place. And how you find and connect with a place is going to be different for every individual but that the connection comes first is the best I can say. Find some place that speaks to your soul, however that happens for you. Then give your heart to it and let the work come from there.

ADM: Where can we see more of your work, and do you have any projects on the horizon?

BH: You can find my work on Instagram, @bmholt_ and at my website, www.brendonholt.com. I am currently working on assembling two books, Pathways and Cascadia: A Retrospective, both of which can be read about in the "Projects" section of my website. Thank you for the chance to air some of my thoughts with you!

A Whole World Here: Sean Crutchfield (AKA @The_Grain_Silo)

January 26, 2020 in interview

A Whole World Here: Sean Crutchfield (aka @the_grain_silo)

Andrew D. McClees (ADM): Hi Sean! Thanks for agreeing to do this interview. For those in the audience who aren't familiar, can you introduce yourself, and give a quick overview of your focus in photography?

Sean Crutchfield (SC): I'm Sean Crutchfield. I'm a photographer living in the rural north Florida area. My Instagram project @the_grain_silo has been running for around four years. When I moved back down south in 2014 I decided to start photographing again after a decade hiatus. I was never comfortable with digital processes so I decided to learn to develop and scan my own film. I mostly shoot landscapes, vernacular architecture, candids and small details but I'm open to take a picture of anything I find interesting. I have a show opening in June at the Wiregrass Museum of Art. I'm very excited about my first show naturally. I also make photo books and zines which I distribute through my website crutchphoto.com.

ADM: I know a lot of people from the south identify with it very strongly, would you call yourself a southern photographer? If so what does that mean to you?

SC: Yes and no. I feel like I would be doing this kind of photography anywhere I found myself, but at the same time where I found myself was back home, so many of these images have an emotional weight to them for me that others who aren't from here might not share. Sometimes I think maybe like Eggleston I want to buck that capital S southern artist label, but my best work so far is here. I DO have some travel projects in mind that would have me leaving my area...we will see. That's such a difficult question! I really raged against that whole southern artist thing back in my previous life as a creative writing student. It irks me because of the stereotypes involved as well as the sort of way work from the south is viewed. And that's a real thing! At my first portfolio review the phrase "lost cause" came up several times. Amazingly they weren't referring to the state of my portfolio which admittedly was pretty low budget with small prints.

SC: I'm keeping those travel ideas close to the vest so to speak. Projects come to me pretty much as an entire idea. Generally I think of them as books. Basically like I want to explore X and show what I found in a form you can hold in your hand.

ADM: That's fair. Does the structure of the book or set come along with the idea? Is there a research and development period for approaching, creating, and sequencing the project -- or does it fit pretty well within the shoot schedule you've previously outlined?

SC: Research and development, definitely. Most of my projects stay in that phase. It all depends on the scope of the project whether or not it takes me outside of my usual schedule.

ADM: In the work you share on instagram you seem to rotate through a lot of equipment, but maintain a fairly similar look, is there a specific reason you rotate through so many different combinations? Does it inform your process?

SC: I really enjoy experimenting. I also have a deep love for mechanical objects. Most of my equipment is fully manual. I guess you could say that I am a gearhead. Honestly I need to sell off some equipment but I haven't brought myself to do it yet. The consistency in my work I think may be down to my eye, my way of composing, and the fact that I control all aspects of the process from shot to print. I've been getting into slide film lately. That's my new obsession. It feels like alchemy when you pull those positives out of the tank.

ADM: In your experimenting - has there ever been a moment or combo, or even a component that either just "clicked" for you, or flipped what you thought you knew about your own photos?

SC: Not with equipment, no. I've definitely come across stuff that is a delight to use just for the feel of the equipment or look of the emulsion but nothing that fundamentally changed anything. Photo books on the other hand, they knock me out. They keep me up nights wondering about their work, my work, and images in general.

AM: Interesting. I've had very much the same experience re: equipment and photo-books. What are some of your favorite Photo-books, and how have they changed your perspective or photography?

SC: Well, I won some money gambling so I bought the full ten volume Democratic Forest. That thing is a monster. I love it. Parr's Common Sense actually was the push I needed to really get into shooting color. I have a little small sized Moriyama book in Japanese that is awesome too. That one is the spiritual ancestor of my first zine.

ADM: What does a typical shoot day look like for you, what's your process of gathering and selecting images like?

SC: 7am: out of bed

8-10am: Coffee and Google maps.

Typically I will pick town(s) in the tri state area (FL/GA/AL), do some street view touring and a little research.

10-sundown: shooting and traveling

Sundown: Warm up my chemicals and begin processing.

Usually around 6 or 7 I am ready to begin scanning and sorting the day's negatives which I will do until they're all ready. I hate having undeveloped film around.

Deciding what to shoot is often just from either walking or driving around and seeing whatever catches my eye. Nothing fancy really, just intuition. Someone gave me a 110 camera when I was a kid, no film just the camera. I feel kind of like placing the world in a frame was burned into my subconscious or something. Often times I pass several scenes that would be perfect, but the light isn't right so I remember where they are and try to determine what time of day/year they would look best for future trips.

ADM: Can you, or would you, give us an overview of your show; Name, theme, specific topic etc? Also do you have any new photobooks or zines in the works?

SC: I'm still changing elements of the show at the moment, choosing images etc. But I can say that I will be using images taken in the area. I am working on the next photo zine at the same time. I would like to have it printed in time for the show but the images would not overlap.

ADM: Maybe a bit on the nose, but do you find that your background in creative writing informs your photography? If so, how so?

SC: Sure it does. I think there is something lyrical or poetic in a good image. And there is a lot of wisdom about editing to be learned from great writers. Ginsburg had this whole deal about "snapshot poetics" that I find kind of interesting too. The rest of that CW nonsense however, the school, the graduate school poetry publishing pyramid scheme...eh.

ADM: What was the specific impetus to pick up a camera again and document Northern Florida?

SC: I just saw so much everywhere that I wanted to capture. That's how it is sometimes when you move back to a place. New eyes. There is a whole world here.

ADM: What advice would you give to someone just starting out in, or on the fence about starting photography, especially someone who's not starting in an urban (or even suburban area)?

SC: Shoot a lot. Expect to go through phases. Look at photo books. Look at rural photography like Bernard Plossu.

ADM: It seems like you've got a pretty firm grasp on your project schedule; is there anything specific that's new we can expect to see from you in 2020, project wise or in general?

SC: Yeah, I'll have at least one new publication up on the website, there is the show at the Wiregrass Museum of Art, and after that I have a project involving quilts from my great-grandmother that I think will be next. My darkroom will be finished by then, so I also expect to make a lot of prints.

ADM: Where can we find more of your work, and pick up your zines, do you have any shows on the horizon?

SC: My website is the best place to see most of my work. crutchphoto.com I also sell my publications and soon I will have photographic prints for sale there as well.

Parting words: Show us what you see.

Landscapes of Nostalgia, and Beyond: Karl Bailey

January 08, 2020 in interview

Landscapes of Nostalgia, and beyond: Karl Bailey on nostalgia, travel, and the zine.

Andrew D. McClees (ADM): Hi Karl, thanks for doing this interview. For those who aren't familiar with you and your work can you please introduce yourself, and describe your work a little bit?

Karl Bailey (KB): Hi, my name’s Karl Bailey, I'm 28 and live in Portsmouth which is a sea city on the south coast of the UK.

A lot of my work is about looking backwards. Many of the locations I've shot at have been inspired by or even from, my own childhood. I'm also keen to preserve and document history and the many changes that we observe over our lifetimes. Ultimately I wouldn't say I aim to have a specific style of work or shoot with a style in mind but I'm always told my work evokes nostalgia.

ADM: I'm curious, when did you pick up photography? Mining a little deeper in, do you think it's linked to your focus on nostalgia? and following that up, what specifically about nostalgia do you find so compelling, both individually, and culturally?

KB: My dad took a lot of photos and video and even had his own darkroom at one point, I was always carrying a little point and shoot on family outings, so I think that's how it was picked up/passed on. I got really into it when I was about 15 and studied Media and Photography in college where I got to use the darkroom and shoot video. From that point on I was part of a local video group that made an amateur sci-fi series for small local TV channels, Then I started picking up photo and video work professionally and ended up shooting all sorts, weddings, corporate, promotional etc but it burned me out and I didn't touch a camera for years. When I finally did in 2018 I realised it was the natural thing that was missing from my life. There is definitely a link somewhere down the line, I love the idea of archiving and not letting any part of history slip away, for no one to remember it; the thought that something or someplace has created so many memories for people and could be knocked down with little thought makes me quite sad even if I'm not personally connected.

ADM: What got you into the zine or photobook format?

KB: I love creating and making things, this stemmed from a diy record label I owned with my friend about 10 years ago. We would release music on CD's, Tapes and Vinyl and I was always pushing myself to create interesting and appealing packaging. It just feels natural to carry on that physical aspect in what I do now. Having something to hold and enjoy is really important even more so for photography, printed work is so much better than looking at it on a screen.

ADM: What does a typical shoot day look like for you?

KB: Some days I will carry one camera, and others I will end up carrying too much. Ultimately it's about exploring new places or turning down roads I've never been down before and seeing what will crop up, usually I will walk miles on end as this is the best way to explore. I always carry a camera on me wherever I am so technically everyday could be a shoot day!

ADM: How do you conceptualize your projects, and what's your selection process like?

KB: I've yet to shoot with a project in mind, although this is something I have started exploring just this month. A lot of my projects (then zines) are born from a moment in time that I've been shooting in. Themes and ideas usually come to me once I have the photos and I can tie them in that way. The selection process goes from contact sheets, narrowed down to printed A6 photos and then I lay them out or pin them up, I'll leave them for weeks and slowly look at them every now and then, make notes and finally pick the ones for a project/book... assembly I'll try to find connecting themes and elements depending on how I lay out the book initially.

ADM: Having read All of a Sudden I Miss Everyone, and also having seen work from Greece and End of Summer on your Instagram, it seems like a lot of your work has to do with both travel, resort towns, and decay. What about those subjects do you find so compelling, or what drives you to make projects with those themes?

KB: To most people these things are just ignored, they see the beauty in the shiniest and newest things and not the character that I see when taking these photos, Again it comes down to history and not wanting these things to just be gone one day and for no one to care or see them. Greece was a nostalgia piece for me, I went there as a child and I remembered so much of what it was once and instantly felt the need to document the remnants that were left.

ADM: I know you were living/working in China recently -- do you have an upcoming project with work from there?

KB: This has been my biggest project to date, sifting through 1300 photos to try and get a reasonable number of photos for a project was extremely challenging and daunting.

I currently have 300 A6 photos that I will start laying out for the book and I'll probably end up cutting back at the same time. The project will be one-half of China photos and the other half Hong Kong photos, the China half will be titled 'I don't know why the caged bird sings' which is a social commentary piece on the joy and happiness that I experienced from the populace, despite them living a somewhat oppressed lifestyle under the rule of communism without even really knowing about it. The book will be appearing on Kickstarter in the first quarter of the year and I will be holding a gallery show in my hometown in August.

ADM: Off the some of your other responses you've given, you found your hypothesis for the book after going out and shooting and documenting a lot. Can you speak on what some of the big moments or images you captured were that led you to focus your book on The Joy of the people of Hong Kong and China despite the oppressive nature of their government?

KB: Living in China was such an eye-opener, I strived to understand and talk to as many people as possible about history, culture, family life, politics and the future, I think at the end of it and having experienced some of the more dangerous sides of China It was an almost natural conclusion. Walking around the apartment complexes, going to the food markets and living in the poorer area of the city gave me a real glimpse at the people, sometimes they would come and talk to me, or sometimes we would just communicate solely with body language but most experiences I had were that people seemed happier, more open, more willing to help... it was a lot different to living in England where everyone is so cagey and polite. For Hong Kong it's very different, the city is naturally a mix match of cultures (British/Chinese) and it's totally and utterly unique because of that, it's an amazing and beautiful city with photographic moments to be had around every corner.

AM: For those considering getting into photography -- film or otherwise -- what would advice would you give? Also, for those who might be interested in making a zine, but don't know where to start, do you have any tips?

KB: Just go out and do it! Visit galleries, buy books, find photographers you enjoy, expand your knowledge... don't get hung up on buying gear, don't get hung up on Instagram likes/follows... more importantly, just have fun and use it as a creative outlet... something I think has been somewhat lost in this modern generation. I think understanding design/layout is really important, study from the greats, find your subject or theme for your book, be critical and ask for opinions. Be somewhat sure of yourself and your work, make a zine worthy of owning and not just for the sake of making a zine.

AM: Have you found any particular photobooks or photographers that have strongly influenced your work? If so, who, and can you talk a little bit about why, and what books or work of theirs you'd recommend?

KB: So many photographers, I'm always excited to see old or new work and I love collecting books...

Modern Color by Herzog stood out to me a lot this year which I think is apparent in my 'End of Summer' zine I've also been enjoying books by McCullin, Parr, Laura Wilsons 'That Day' and the Magnum Contact Sheets book. I can't stress how valuable these are to a photographer!

AM: Those are great recommendations. Thanks again for doing this interview! Where can people find and buy your work, either your zines or your prints right now? Do you have any other parting words ? Can we expect you back to talk about "I don't know why the caged bird sings" when it's closer to completion?

KB: www.karlbailey.co.uk for all zines, occasional prints but I tend to put them up as one offs on IG stories (@karlbailey). Thanks for having me on to do this, it's been really fun! I would love to come back when the time comes!

Dominick Ducote in Conversation with Brendon Holt, on "Clarity."

August 07, 2019 in interview

Dominick Ducote in Conversation with Brendon Holt, on “Clarity.”

ED. Note: You can view all of "Clarity and Fog” here on Frozenwaste.land under the “Places” section.

Brendon Holt (BH): So, Dominick, we’re here to talk about your recent project, Clarity. The title seems like as good a place to start as any. Why, “Clarity”?

Dominick Ducote (DD): The full title is Clarity & Fog, an important distinction because the title reflects the duality in both the images, and the emotions I felt while shooting these images. For example, the images taken in the Tetons are all very clean and crisp, and this was the location where I felt mostly comfortable and content. The Yellowstone photographs however, have a radiated haze to them, much like how my mentality was at that point in the trip.

BH: Ah, I see. What drew you to Yellowstone and Grand Teton for this project? Aside from their breathtaking beauty, that is.

DD: My grandparents took me to tons of beautiful places as a child, Yellowstone and Grand Teton included. I plan on revisiting all the places we went to, because I still remember all the beauty I’ve seen traveling with them, it’s just that now I’m finally able to capture it the way it deserves.

BH: That’s great. My relationship with Montana has a similar story. I spent many summers growing up hiking in Glacier National Park and other areas around Montana with my grandparents and it instilled a love of those places that has lasted. Have you devoted any work to other areas already? And do you have any future locations planned at the moment?

DD: The only other location I’ve shot at so far is Scofield, Utah, a little ghost town where my grandparents built their house years ago. Only 20 or so people live there now, so it’s got a really quiet and forgotten atmosphere. It feels like you’re on the set of an episode of the Twilight Zone out there.

As for future locations, I’d love to revisit Sitka, Alaska, but I haven’t made any moves towards that yet. Unfortunately, I think it’ll be a few years before I can make my way north again.

BH: Alaska seems like an incredible place, from what I’ve seen. It’s one of those “bucket list” places for me personally. My grandma’s descriptions of it don’t quell my desire to visit either. You noted that the impetus behind the project was, in some sense, about being able to capture the beauty that you remember experiencing with your grandparents. Would you say that the work tends more toward the documentary side of things?

DD: It’s a wild place for sure, definitely one for the bucket list. And to answer your question, I think I was a lot more focused with solely capturing beauty on the Yellowstone/Teton trip, rather than taking a documentarian perspective.

That’ll probably change when I travel to Alaska though.

BH: Interesting. I generally see the project of capturing natural beauty that informs a lot of landscape photography as more documentary than art oriented, personally. I mean, what we’re doing is essentially just framing the beauty that we find already existing prior to the act of making a photograph. In your mind what distinguishes a documentary approach from a non-documentary one?

DD: A documentarian approach is meant to give information to the viewer, to present a narrative, and I don’t really care to do that with landscape photography. There may be a narrative driving me to shoot but I don’t usually present it with, or in my images because all that matters to me is that they look beautiful. And you’re right when you say we’re just framing the beauty we find already existing, but I think you need an incredibly artistic eye in order to see that beauty among the rest of the world and isolate the perfect composition.

BH: That’s fair. I will admit to using the art/documentation distinction perhaps too loosely. Looking through the galleries on your website I noticed that you have a decent amount of what we could loosely categorize as “landscape” imagery. So, what do you think it is about landscapes as a subject that draws your eye? Why landscapes, in other words.

DD: I view landscape photography as experiencing beauty that wasn’t made by any one living creature, but a combination of time and luck. You’re just an observer at first, but once you take the image, you’re both an observer to the Earth’s beauty and the creator of your own beauty, and that’s incredibly special. It’s a shared experience with the Earth that you can’t find anywhere else.

BH: That participatory element you talk about is an interesting take. So another thing I noticed looking through the galleries on your website (I’ve spent a bit of time in them) is that you made images for Clarity & Fog in both 6x6 and 35mm. Looking back on your experiences working in the same locations with different mediums, what are your thoughts on medium format vs 35mm?

DD: Different mediums are great for different things, which is why you can usually find me on location with 3 cameras, digital, medium format, and 35mm. To limit yourself to just one medium is to limit yourself as an artist, and that seems like a really dumb move to me. That being said, I personally like shooting medium format so much more than 35mm. I find myself slowing down and putting more effort into composing my medium format images because with only 12 shots on a roll of 120 film, you’re kinda forced to.

BH: I mean, I’m constantly trying to distill my system down to the lowest possible number of parts, but I know what you mean. I used to shoot medium format back in the day and there is definitely a paradigm shift in workflow between MF and 35mm. Looking over your website I’ve seen that the bulk of your work is done in color. Specifically, how did you see color coming into play in the context of Clarity and Fog? And perhaps you could comment on your predilection for color in your broader body of work?

DD: For Clarity & Fog, I knew that the locations I was going to were insanely colorful, so color negative and slide film were just the right move in my mind. I did consider bringing a few rolls of Ilford Pan F 50 but I bailed on that idea pretty quickly. As for my broader body of work, I used to shoot a lot of black and white because it was the only film we could develop in school. I got really sick of it and decided to try slide film, I was hooked from then on.

BH: Ah, Pan F… One of my favorite black and white film stocks. I’d probably shoot it a lot more if it didn’t require a tripod. I have yet to actually develop the rolls of color film in my fridge so the whole color film world is still unexplored to me, especially slide film.

So we’ve covered a decent amount of ground here and to bring things full circle I’d like to close things out by asking you to talk about your favorite image from the Clarity and Fog project. Why you made it, what it means to you, that sort of thing.

DD: Easily the image titled Irradiated [pictured right], an accidental double exposure of a small dead tree in front of a turquoise pool. When it comes to why I made it, or any of my images, I don’t really have a reason. It’s just a beautiful moment that I happened upon and captured.

BH: Awesome, well Dominick for myself and on behalf of Frozenwaste.land I want to thank you for coming here to discuss your work as well as Clarity & Fog with us!

DD: Thanks for having me!

You Can View All of "Clarity and Fog” here on Frozenwaste.land under the “Places” Section.

Dominick can also be found on the internet at https://dcdphotography.squarespace.com/the-artist and on Instagram as @Dominick_ducote.

Brendon Holt can be found on his website, Brendonholt.com or on Instagram as @bmholt_